What the hell just happened!

In the last two weeks I have been into 5 gun shops to purchase some ammo, every store has been completely sold out and I was told at the largest one in the area that they will no longer take orders on incoming shipments they are selling on a first come first served (in person basis). They had a new shipment coming in yesterday largest they had ever ordered (a fully loaded 16 foot truck) so I went up there at noon today the parking lot was full of people and two hours later I got to the counter and again they were sold out. Not a single rifle or pistols was left in the store and I was told that the manufacturers and importers were sending them out as fast as they could make them or get them in. They have NO reloading supplies left at all, no powder no bullets, no primers, no brass and no presses or dies. Not even a single box of 22 rimfire was on the shelf.

Last month a used AR 15 would sell for around $500, today if you had one to sell the dealer would give you $1500 for it, a new one when they come in goes for $3000 in the past two weeks that one store has sold over 200 mil styled lookalikes the prices started at $800 (the suggested retail price) and ended this week at $3000+, and sold out of every type of weapon they had on hand or could get in.

Those who ran out and purchased a bunch of the military styled guns when Obama was first elected really made a fantastic invest as the return would be in the 300 to 400% range. Those who stock piled ammo will also triple their investment now. NRA membership looks like it is going to more than double this year, it went up over 150,000 in the past 15 days.

I have never seen anything like this, I guess people really are wising up and getting ready for our government to go completely rouge.

That's in Virginia Thunder not in New York, or California or any place that has sensible gun control laws. Why would any civilian have to own a military type of weapon with a huge clip? It's not for hunting, it's not for protection unless you are planning fighting a war all on your own? You have hit on a truth the only reason the NRA is sticking to it's guns no pun intended, is because of the huge profits to be made by the gun and ammunition makers. What I find most amusing is that one of the greatest gun control laws was passed by Ronald Regan during his term as governor of California. It's purpose was to control guns in the black communities what with the riots in Watts, and the Black Panthers armed patrolling their neighborhoods to protect them selves from the police, and national guard. Just like old laws in the South forbid slaves, and even free blacks from owning firearms. This whole idea of gun control is nothing new, and the 2nd amendment seems to have survived. Just like freedom of speech is not absolute, freedom to own any type of arms is not absolute. You cannot own machine guns, rocket launchers, mortars etc.etc.etc., the solutions to a society with too many guns is not to arm everyone. Even in the days of the Old West, the city marshal could require you to check your gun when you come into town. In Arizona where you can still legally wear your gun on your hip there are exceptions, a bar, a bank and a few other places. I was raised with guns, I was trained in the military to use various weapons, I don't feel the need to go well heeled, as my dad used to call it. Hopefully as a society we move forward and don't fall into total anarchy. I would think we are as smart as other nations of the world, Australia has a sensible gun control set of laws, the people can still enjoy their hunting and have protection, we should be able to do the same. I have to laugh when the NRA says we should arm the teachers, what is the next step arm all the students as well, then it really would be the Wild West.

It just goes to show you how many idiots and lunatics this country has. There are so many people who are all fired up and ready to go to war, it's ridiculous. I blame the media, mostly. It's people like Glen Beck, Mark Levin and those kinds that are fueling this by telling one lie after another about Obama and his anti-gun ways. The majority of the country is calling for tougher gun laws to try to avoid what happened in CT. Arming teachers isn't the way to go because they are just as prone to mental stress as anyone else. That would be just wonderful. Mr. Johnson is able to carry his AR15 in class, and one day Li'l Johnny pisses him off and he shoots half the class to death because he is so burnt out from his job.

I have a composite bow. I could protect myself just fine with that. I don't need to cut anyone in half to protect myself. I think this whole issue has gotten out of hand and is all based on lies. Nobody is coming to take any guns away. I wish this country would get its collective head out of its ass!!!

This all goes back smooth to these doom days preparers with their secret hiding place, tons of food, water, and a huge arsenal to protect all of this. I don't know if I would want to live in such a world where you have to kill everyone else just to protect your stuff. One thing is for sure even if you make it through, what kind of a world, and quality of life would be left? Nothing close to what we now have, it would truly be another Dark Ages, where might makes right. Have a nice day.

The Lone Ranger wrote: This all goes back smooth to these doom days preparers with their secret hiding place, tons of food, water, and a huge arsenal to protect all of this. I don't know if I would want to live in such a world where you have to kill everyone else just to protect your stuff. One thing is for sure even if you make it through, what kind of a world, and quality of life would be left? Nothing close to what we now have, it would truly be another Dark Ages, where might makes right. Have a nice day.

The unfortunate part is there are factions in this country who WANT a world like that. They believe it's the way things are supposed to be. Some people are just fucked in the head.

The Lone Ranger wrote: That's in Virginia Thunder not in New York, or California or any place that has sensible gun control laws. Why would any civilian have to own a military type of weapon with a huge clip? It's not for hunting, it's not for protection unless you are planning fighting a war all on your own? You have hit on a truth the only reason the NRA is sticking to it's guns no pun intended, is because of the huge profits to be made by the gun and ammunition makers. What I find most amusing is that one of the greatest gun control laws was passed by Ronald Regan during his term as governor of California. It's purpose was to control guns in the black communities what with the riots in Watts, and the Black Panthers armed patrolling their neighborhoods to protect them selves from the police, and national guard. Just like old laws in the South forbid slaves, and even free blacks from owning firearms. This whole idea of gun control is nothing new, and the 2nd amendment seems to have survived. Just like freedom of speech is not absolute, freedom to own any type of arms is not absolute. You cannot own machine guns, rocket launchers, mortars etc.etc.etc., the solutions to a society with too many guns is not to arm everyone. Even in the days of the Old West, the city marshal could require you to check your gun when you come into town. In Arizona where you can still legally wear your gun on your hip there are exceptions, a bar, a bank and a few other places. I was raised with guns, I was trained in the military to use various weapons, I don't feel the need to go well heeled, as my dad used to call it. Hopefully as a society we move forward and don't fall into total anarchy. I would think we are as smart as other nations of the world, Australia has a sensible gun control set of laws, the people can still enjoy their hunting and have protection, we should be able to do the same. I have to laugh when the NRA says we should arm the teachers, what is the next step arm all the students as well, then it really would be the Wild West.

You really need to study history a little more it would help you in not misstating things. You need to study the Aussy law as well, (and check out their crime rates. This country has two choices, get back to the constitution and follow it, follow the communist/socialist dream and become a third world nation at which point yes we will face anarchy.

smoothedge69 wrote:It just goes to show you how many idiots and lunatics this country has. There are so many people who are all fired up and ready to go to war, it's ridiculous. I blame the media, mostly. It's people like Glen Beck, Mark Levin and those kinds that are fueling this by telling one lie after another about Obama and his anti-gun ways. The majority of the country is calling for tougher gun laws to try to avoid what happened in CT. Arming teachers isn't the way to go because they are just as prone to mental stress as anyone else. That would be just wonderful. Mr. Johnson is able to carry his AR15 in class, and one day Li'l Johnny pisses him off and he shoots half the class to death because he is so burnt out from his job.

I have a composite bow. I could protect myself just fine with that. I don't need to cut anyone in half to protect myself. I think this whole issue has gotten out of hand and is all based on lies. Nobody is coming to take any guns away. I wish this country would get its collective head out of its ass!!!

And you need to read a little bit on history as well. The second amendment isn't so much about protecting yourself (although that does fall into it as well) but more about protecting the people against a dictatorship (enemies of the people) from without or within. You know the kind of a person or group of persons who believe that what they want to do regardless of the constitution or the people can bypass all other parts of the electorate or courts and impose their will.

Steve Miller wrote:

smoothedge69 wrote:It just goes to show you how many idiots and lunatics this country has. There are so many people who are all fired up and ready to go to war, it's ridiculous. I blame the media, mostly. It's people like Glen Beck, Mark Levin and those kinds that are fueling this by telling one lie after another about Obama and his anti-gun ways. The majority of the country is calling for tougher gun laws to try to avoid what happened in CT. Arming teachers isn't the way to go because they are just as prone to mental stress as anyone else. That would be just wonderful. Mr. Johnson is able to carry his AR15 in class, and one day Li'l Johnny pisses him off and he shoots half the class to death because he is so burnt out from his job.

I have a composite bow. I could protect myself just fine with that. I don't need to cut anyone in half to protect myself. I think this whole issue has gotten out of hand and is all based on lies. Nobody is coming to take any guns away. I wish this country would get its collective head out of its ass!!!

And you need to read a little bit on history as well. The second amendment isn't so much about protecting yourself (although that does fall into it as well) but more about protecting the people against a dictatorship (enemies of the people) from without or within. You know the kind of a person or group of persons who believe that what they want to do regardless of the constitution or the people can bypass all other parts of the electorate or courts and impose their will.

Right, but when that was written there were only muskets and bayonets. There was nothing about semi-automatic weapons, since they didn't exist yet.

This whole country needs harsher gun control laws....no civilian needs military style automatic or semi automatic weapons....they are used for one purpose only hunting humans. Smooth and Lone I hope it comforts you to know that as of latest polls it shows the Tea Party agenda is loosing popularity and with less than 8% self classifying with those nut jobs....they just happen to be a very vocal group. Most of my Republican friends have shook off the brainwashing and are a bit embarrassed they ever fell for it.

i say we make them all illegal.
it worked great for cocaine, crack, crystal, fully automatic weapons....all of those are gone and the criminal enterprises dont have them either.
anyway, the criminal minds who dont mind breaking laws prefer us to be unarmed anyway. what professional criminal wants to have to wory about breaking into a house that may have an armed inahbitant, or a spree killer with stolen SWAT gear going into a theater to have to be concerned with someone pushing back with a gun? that just makes for a hostile work environment for them.
you wanna make them illegal? just remember that the automatic weapons that are illegal are being used by the dealers of crack and meth.....also illegal....every day. how is it going to improve things to make ourselves unable to defend ourselves at all, and how will that suddenly make the criminals who break the law for a living respond any better by giving them an open door to know for a fact that no one can fight back?
i do not own a gun, but a criminal trying to break in does not know that.
this last spree at the school would not have happened if the faculty was allowed to cary their guns with them (who ever owned one) because after two shots someone would have shot back and instead of 26 being shot it would have been 2 or 3. that alone....saving 20+ childrens lives is worth removing all gun laws. they never seem to go shoot up a police station or an NRA meeting or anyplace that is NOT a gun free zone. every mass shooting has been in a gun free zone.....you know......where they have the ONLY gun and no resistance.

no need to make them all illegal....I do not own a gun and can protect myself just fine. I know many people who hunt on a regular basis and a few elderly that feel the need to have a hand gun. My problem is with military style weapons that have no use but to hunt people. the military has need for this type of weapon...civilians do not. I applaud NY's new gun laws and think the same laws should be implemented nationwide.....and before anyone goes batshit....we dont allow civilians to have nuclear weapons either

Steve Miller wrote:

The Lone Ranger wrote: That's in Virginia Thunder not in New York, or California or any place that has sensible gun control laws. Why would any civilian have to own a military type of weapon with a huge clip? It's not for hunting, it's not for protection unless you are planning fighting a war all on your own? You have hit on a truth the only reason the NRA is sticking to it's guns no pun intended, is because of the huge profits to be made by the gun and ammunition makers. What I find most amusing is that one of the greatest gun control laws was passed by Ronald Regan during his term as governor of California. It's purpose was to control guns in the black communities what with the riots in Watts, and the Black Panthers armed patrolling their neighborhoods to protect them selves from the police, and national guard. Just like old laws in the South forbid slaves, and even free blacks from owning firearms. This whole idea of gun control is nothing new, and the 2nd amendment seems to have survived. Just like freedom of speech is not absolute, freedom to own any type of arms is not absolute. You cannot own machine guns, rocket launchers, mortars etc.etc.etc., the solutions to a society with too many guns is not to arm everyone. Even in the days of the Old West, the city marshal could require you to check your gun when you come into town. In Arizona where you can still legally wear your gun on your hip there are exceptions, a bar, a bank and a few other places. I was raised with guns, I was trained in the military to use various weapons, I don't feel the need to go well heeled, as my dad used to call it. Hopefully as a society we move forward and don't fall into total anarchy. I would think we are as smart as other nations of the world, Australia has a sensible gun control set of laws, the people can still enjoy their hunting and have protection, we should be able to do the same. I have to laugh when the NRA says we should arm the teachers, what is the next step arm all the students as well, then it really would be the Wild West.

You really need to study history a little more it would help you in not misstating things. You need to study the Aussy law as well, (and check out their crime rates. This country has two choices, get back to the constitution and follow it, follow the communist/socialist dream and become a third world nation at which point yes we will face anarchy.

Your the one who needs a history lesson the 2nd amendment right is not absolute, and there have been many cases of where the U.S. government has sized arms and ammo going to various groups of American citizens. Such as the army confiscating arms flooding into Kansas before the Civil War, and the Irish American rebels who tried to foment revolution in Canada after the Civil War. If you use deadly force to oppose a duly elected government, that makes you a rebel Thunder, not a patriot, unless of course the revolution is successful. If it is successful then you have the headache of forming something to follow it unless you opt for total anarchy. Then you would be right up their with all the other 3rd world countries mired in generations of civil war. The last time this country faced a large armed insurrection it was put down at great cost in both blood and treasure, and the South for generations was bitter about the outcome. You need to stop buying into to the NRA version of history.

P.S. Just for the record Thunder my major was history in college, I have a Master's Degree. What degree do you hold?

kjathena wrote:This whole country needs harsher gun control laws....no civilian needs military style automatic or semi automatic weapons....they are used for one purpose only hunting humans. Smooth and Lone I hope it comforts you to know that as of latest polls it shows the Tea Party agenda is loosing popularity and with less than 8% self classifying with those nut jobs....they just happen to be a very vocal group. Most of my Republican friends have shook off the brainwashing and are a bit embarrassed they ever fell for it.

Athena the description used in the military for such weapons, is anti-personnel, there function is to take out people period. That is what they are designed to do. Have a blessed day.

Gun arguments aside, there do seem to be a lot of people who are in the "prepper" mindset be it fear of asteroids, electromagnetic pulses, the rapture or the govt. It is almost like a fantasy escape method of coping with hard times--if only it could all be erased and we could start over more simply. I don't think it would be as much fun as people think. Think of the sewage and garbage back up in the big cities. We have really built a society where we are dependent on everyone doing their job.

I do see a need for individuals to regain some autonomy and self sufficiency as the system seems broken and to have lost its values at the moment. But I'm not thinking in terms of achieving fire power but in terms of there is no gold watch at the end of the rainbow anymore so one had better be able to make their own living somehow.

As for fighting the govt., I don't own any nukes or drones--does the Second Amendment guarantee us equal firepower? The govt. has the advantage at the moment. Certainly other countries have held us off via guerrilla warfare but if it came down to some wacko not having the fear of nuking the entire world than even automatic weapons aren't going to cut it.

It may be naive but in the end, long term survival will not depend on dog eat dog but on cooperation and trying to elevate the goodness of man rather than accentuating the animal nature. Right now people are in a mode of anything other than there own agenda is treachery. No one recognizes a different opinion or common ground.

There is also an ugly side to this that gets dismissed but I have experienced it even in our "northern" state. I don't agree with those who say that if you criticize Obama you must be racist--there were many supporters who wrote articles about their disappointment in him and there have been many things to be disappointed about. But when he was first elected I overheard one singer saying their neighbor had a sign up that said "Not MY President" with a noose hanging from it. Another singer who is perpetually running for office himself whispered to me that I had better prepare for the revolution that is coming. I asked, "Because of the economy?" and he said, "No. Because of WHAT is in the White House right now." So that is not behind us and I would urge anyone to make sure of exactly what revolution they are joining before they take up arms.

very well said LL

The thing to remember is this country was founded on a revolution, after things calmed down we started working on a Constitution. For several years we were governed by the Articles of Confederation, this gave way to our present form of government. The Confederation was too weak, and that is why we started developing a strong Federal government. Our first political party was the Federalists of which most of the founding fathers belonged to. George Washington the first president was a Federalist, along with his Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton. This is the start of a strong central national government, balanced against the rights of the individual states. It has been a difficult journey many citizens who felt the government didn't represent them broke away and tried to develop their own brand of freedom. Nearly in all cases, eventually they were forced to accept the supremacy of the Federal Government. Some didn't and had to go to other countries to live. While the 2nd amendment does protect the rights of citizens to own guns, it is not a blank check to ride roughshod over the rights of others. In a civil society the rights of everyone needs to be balanced against any radical fringe groups.

Yes, extraordinarily well said, LL!!

The Lone Ranger wrote: While the 2nd amendment does protect the rights of citizens to own guns, it is not a blank check to ride roughshod over the rights of others. In a civil society the rights of everyone needs to be balanced against any radical fringe groups.

No the second amendment is placed to make sure the rights of others are not run roughshod over. Without the second amendment in place there are no other rights.

But I do give Obama credit, he has managed to sell more guns and ammo in 4 years and 15 days than had been sold in the entire previous 15 years combined.

Steve Miller wrote:

The Lone Ranger wrote: While the 2nd amendment does protect the rights of citizens to own guns, it is not a blank check to ride roughshod over the rights of others. In a civil society the rights of everyone needs to be balanced against any radical fringe groups.

No the second amendment is placed to make sure the rights of others are not run roughshod over. Without the second amendment in place there are no other rights.

But I do give Obama credit, he has managed to sell more guns and ammo in 4 years and 15 days than had been sold in the entire previous 15 years combined.

Just because there are still so many people like yourself Thunder that think they can get true justice only through the barrel of a gun. They are so afraid of what their own government might do that their own paranoia is the reason so many other people have to live in fear of another mass shooting. You are right the gun and ammo makers are making a killing, no pun intended, and that is why they keep funneling huge amounts of money to the NRA to influence elections. The gerrymandered red states will keep enough congressmen blocking any meaningful reform, don't worry Steve you can still sleep with your gun under your pillow. Watch out for the black helicopters.

So as you blindly grope the elephant what do you really see, do you see a snake or a tree trunk?

Being blind to what is going on around you can be a good thing, just as the Jews in Hitler's Germany.

Perhaps a little reading on the opinions of the founders of this country and what their thoughts were will help you out a little. When YOUR government is spending up to 4 trillion dollars a year more than it brings in and continues to raise taxes on the few people who are still working at some point you have to ask yourself (if you aren't a zombie) where and when will it end?

Steve Miller wrote:So as you blindly grope the elephant what do you really see, do you see a snake or a tree trunk?

Being blind to what is going on around you can be a good thing, just as the Jews in Hitler's Germany.

Perhaps a little reading on the opinions of the founders of this country and what their thoughts were will help you out a little. When YOUR government is spending up to 4 trillion dollars a year more than it brings in and continues to raise taxes on the few people who are still working at some point you have to ask yourself (if you aren't a zombie) where and when will it end?

Why Thunder I didn't know you are Jewish? Yes Steve I'm sure it's interesting reading, don't you think the great minds of that time, if they were thrust into ours might rethink some of their views on the current situation. That maybe they would adjust, that is why we have a living document in the Constitution and it changes with the times. You remember all of those amendments after the first 10 don't you? The reason the government is spending money is because it was, and to some extend is still trying to be the policeman for the world, at the same time taking care of a large number of elderly citizens, of which you are a member. It has been the same problem with State governments on a smaller scale. Everyone wants their piece of the government pie and nobody wants to pay for it. Until you can change the minds of the citizens you are not going to be able to solve the debt problem of this country. We have all forgotten what shared sacrifice is about, and the lessons of our parents and grandparents who lived through the Great Depression, and fought WWII. Have a nice day.

P.S. By the way Steve "Your Government" happens to be yours also, unless you have declared the independent Kingdom Of Thunder, at least in your mind. I know I'm not going into work today God told me I need to stay home and clean my guns. If you really don't believe in the government why don't you stop paying your taxes Steve, like Wesley Snipes did? Then you would be safe, you would be in prison but you would be safe, except from the other prisoners.

I have never received one dime from the government either State or Federal, and I have no need or desire to later on either.

If I don't have the money for something I do without it, if I need medical help I will pay for it, if I can't pay for it then I really didn't need it.

I pay my taxes and I pay my bills, which is more than I can say for the current federal government.

Everyone doesn't want a piece of the pie in fact there is a very large group of people who don't even reach for the pie at all. I don't think many will have a very long wait to feel what shared sacrifice is all about that should happen within this year, if it doesn't it will be because of the few hardcore Republicans and Democrats that remain standing up to Obama and not allowing him to spend any more.

Then we will see what the world looks like when the grocery store shelves are empty, gasoline is $35 a gallon, there is no social security, no welfare checks, no jobs, and throngs of people are roaming the cities looking to take food from anyone who has any, the water supplies have stopped along with the electrical plants being shut down. MMMMM My kind of world, because my family and I have prepared for it. Plenty of guns and ammo stored away along with plenty of reloading supplies, enough canned and dried foods to last two years, springs for water and two years worth of wood cut and stored. It's going to be interesting to watch what the unprepared do when it comes.

And no other nations are not going to be helping out because when the dollar collapses (and our government knows it is coming, this is why I voted for Obama) every other nation will be in the same boat.

Did people really not believe that the world as we know it was coming to an end on 12/21/12, it did most people just didn't understand it.

So you are betting on total economic collapse in the near future, and you are going to be stacking up dead bodies like your cord wood, in order to protect your hoard. You better have some plan with what to do with all the bodies other wise your ground water of your spring will become contaminated and you could be looking as serious health issues like cholera. Another Dark Ages way to go Thunder, in such an environment the Constitution isn't going to mean much. Of course according to you it is almost worthless. The only thing good about your scenario is Kurt and company will be in the same situation, then they would truly know what they can do with the discs. I still don't see if you really believe all of this you even bother worrying about pirates or paying your taxes, by the time they prosecute you everything would have gone to hell in a hand basket. Do you really pay into SS and Medicare and at 58 not plan on using services you are legally entitled to, and have paid for all your life? I can see you are a man of principal, strange but you have principles. Have a blessed day.


P.S. Another thing to consider Thunder is have you ever killed another human being? If not then you don't even know if you can pull the trigger and do it. Most people the first time they have to kill it makes them sick to their stomachs. Of course with time and practice it doesn't bother you as much, something to think about. One thing for sure my dad fought in WWII in the Pacific, he always told me "if you pull a gun you have to use it, if you are not going to use it, don't even think about pulling it". Most gun owners end up being shot with their own weapon.

The Lone Ranger wrote: So you are betting on total economic collapse in the near future, and you are going to be stacking up dead bodies like your cord wood, in order to protect your hoard. You better have some plan with what to do with all the bodies other wise your ground water of your spring will become contaminated and you could be looking as serious health issues like cholera. Another Dark Ages way to go Thunder, in such an environment the Constitution isn't going to mean much. Of course according to you it is almost worthless. The only thing good about your scenario is Kurt and company will be in the same situation, then they would truly know what they can do with the discs. I still don't see if you really believe all of this you even bother worrying about pirates or paying your taxes, by the time they prosecute you everything would have gone to hell in a hand basket. Do you really pay into SS and Medicare and at 58 not plan on using services you are legally entitled to, and have paid for all your life? I can see you are a man of principal, strange but you have principles. Have a blessed day.

"Entitled to" that is the whole problem in a nut shell too many people think they are entitled to something! Haven't you figured it out yet? There is no money in SS there is no money in MC, the government is broke and running on borrowed money, other countries are heading there as fast as we are, there will be no money to borrow. I don't think where I live the bodies will be a problem, the vast majority of my neighbors also have preped and are prepared since there won't be any gasoline for "city or suburban folks" to to make it out here and even if they did they would have to find you so there won't be a lot of bodies to pile up, besides the bear wild dogs and coyotes will take care any remains left laying around. I imagine in a year or so many people will be eating soylent green anyway.

Steve Miller wrote:

The Lone Ranger wrote: So you are betting on total economic collapse in the near future, and you are going to be stacking up dead bodies like your cord wood, in order to protect your hoard. You better have some plan with what to do with all the bodies other wise your ground water of your spring will become contaminated and you could be looking as serious health issues like cholera. Another Dark Ages way to go Thunder, in such an environment the Constitution isn't going to mean much. Of course according to you it is almost worthless. The only thing good about your scenario is Kurt and company will be in the same situation, then they would truly know what they can do with the discs. I still don't see if you really believe all of this you even bother worrying about pirates or paying your taxes, by the time they prosecute you everything would have gone to hell in a hand basket. Do you really pay into SS and Medicare and at 58 not plan on using services you are legally entitled to, and have paid for all your life? I can see you are a man of principal, strange but you have principles. Have a blessed day.

"Entitled to" that is the whole problem in a nut shell too many people think they are entitled to something! Haven't you figured it out yet? There is no money in SS there is no money in MC, the government is broke and running on borrowed money, other countries are heading there as fast as we are, there will be no money to borrow. I don't think where I live the bodies will be a problem, the vast majority of my neighbors also have preped and are prepared since there won't be any gasoline for "city or suburban folks" to to make it out here and even if they did they would have to find you so there won't be a lot of bodies to pile up, besides the bear wild dogs and coyotes will take care any remains left laying around. I imagine in a year or so many people will be eating soylent green anyway.

Thunder the Constitution you keep talking about is a contract between the people and government. These programs setup over many years are also social contracts setup between the people and their government.
At some point you are right at least historically every society has imploded in on itself. Money will mean little if the scenario you paint does come to pass. That is when you have to look at your situation and decide if you are going to survive or not. It is a pretty safe bet people like me and you won't survive at least in the long term, due to our ages. If any survive it will be the young and strong like Darwin maintained. The ones that can adapt to the new environment. Just remember all the critters you are talking about don't care if they are eating a good guy or a bad guy. A general once said "the smell of a dead enemy is always sweet". If this all comes to pass are you going to give James and Kurt a bunk in your bunker? Have a nice day.

P.S. Thunder remember soylent green is made out of people, which means we would be on the same diet as your woodland creatures. It would a literal case of some days you eat the bear and some days he eats you.
You forgot about the wild pigs, they will eat human flesh or just about anything they can kill.